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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2019, 08:06:18 PM »
Yesterday, at KK Immigration, I asked if I needed to send 65k or more to Thailand during the month or months I am in the USA each year. I was told either 65k each month or 800k in the bank were the options. Didn't sound like there were any exceptions. I was not surprised at their response but thought I might as well ask

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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2019, 03:28:03 AM »

"... and it was refused even thou I had all the correct paperwork, But like avvacato he was pushing for the certification letter from the bank. "


If you're using income without a letter from your embassy, I understand that there are two letters you need to get from your bank.
1 showing it's your account, and what's in it
and
2  a letter showing just the income deposits - and showing they came from overseas.  Sort of an itemized list.


I'm pretty sure the second letter is for the convenience of someone - so they don't have to scrutinize pages of bank entries in your bankbook.


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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2019, 08:20:02 AM »
Thanks, Terry.  This is really crucial.  We need to now if the OP refused an extension were refused on the basis of incorrect or incomplete paperwork/documentation ... or were they refused because the I/O disallowed the B65K monthly method, period. Very important. 

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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2019, 09:03:21 AM »
Sat 16 Nov 2019, 9:01 am

This is a post on ThaiVisa.com. Reposting here with permission.  Thanks, OP!


Quote from: The OP on ThaiVisa
In September I was successful with getting my 1 year extension at Khon Kaen based on 65K/month for 12 months.

At first the IO said I needed 800K deposit in the bank. I said that 65K/month was allowed. We went back and forth politely until the IO got up and went to the IO in the small office at the rear, the one that signs off on the extensions.

Came back and said OK but they were very firm that it needed to be 12 months which I was able to prove. All clearly international transfers.

My suggestion is to dress and speak politely. If there is some problem, trying to convince the IO to ask the boss will go better if they have some respect for you.

View the complete thread on ThaiVisa.com => http://bit.ly/2KnzaQo

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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2019, 06:23:41 PM »
Well, Rex, I am off to Savannakhet to get a Multi Entry Marriage visa because I went to desk #1 to renew my marriage extension on 11 November on the income system and it was refused even thou I had all the correct paperwork, But like avvacato he was pushing for the certification letter from the bank. I think that they are trying to push us to go via an agent or they are only interested in the seasoned money in the bank system. There is an appeal system but how long does it take for that? We could end up on overstay be the time the appeal is heard. With the marriage system at least a person can go to Savannakhet and get a 1 year visa but it means that every 90 days you have a day out and do a border run but this visa can be good for 15 months if you do it right


Russell, can you give us a report on how things went in Savannakhet.  I think I will go this route again for 12-15 months and by then hopefully they have the monthly income requirements for retirement and marriage extensions worked out.


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« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2019, 10:30:09 PM »
Here is the update for Savannahket. This is everything that I did in respect of getting my Non-Imm "O" Multi Entry marriage visa. Monday 25th went to Lao Consulate near the northern Tesco and got my tourist visa for Lao, cost 1500 baht was also given arrival and departure card so filled out card on Monday night. On Tuesday 26th I left home in Khon Kaen at 4:30 in the morning and drove out to the secured parking at the Thai immigration check point at Mukdahan, parking cost 250 baht, went through Thai immigration and bought a bus ticket at the stall to the left of the passport control stalls for 100 baht, got on the bus across to the Lao immigration check point and because I had already filled in the arrival and departure card, there was no delay at the passport control stall so was stamped in then went through the passport check desk and onto the bus for the trip to the bus station, there I took a tuk tuk back to the Thai Consulate for the cost of 80 baht. I arrived at the consulate at 8:15 and had to wait until 8:30 for it to open and there was already a few people there waiting. The gate opened and in we went, but many people did not have the correct paperwork, (I will explain what you need at the end of this) so they were sent away to get the right paperwork and copies. Anyway I got to the window and handed in my paperwork which they looked at and then asked for the 5000 baht  which I gave them and they gave me a ticket for the next afternoon to pick my passport up. The whole time at the window took me 2 minutes. Then I took a tuk tuk to my accommodation. I arranged for the tuk tuk to pick me up at my accommodation at 1:30 on Wednesday 27th and take me back to the Thai Consulate where there were a few already waiting for the gate to open at 2:00 pm. We went in and when you got to the window you handed in the ticket that you got the previous day which had a number on it and they gave you your passport for you to check the visa then it was out the gate onto a tuk tuk and straight to Lao immigration checkpoint cost of tuk tuk was 100 baht went through Lao immigration and was stamped out of Lao then bought a ticket for the bus for 100 baht across to Thai Immigration where you will find some very helpful young ladies who will fill in your TM6 for you for free and then you go through Thai Immigration passport checkpoint where you will be stamped into Thailand. Then picked up the car and was back home in Khon Kaen by 7:30pm. The reason why I drove out to Mukdahan is that the buses and vans do not start until 6:30 in the morning for Mudkahan and the first van is supposed to arrive at Mudkahan at 9:30 and the bus from Mudkahan leaves at 9:45, and in normal Thai fashion the possibility of the van being late into Mudkahan would mean you miss that bus and then there is a very good chance that you would miss the closing time of 11:00am at the Thai Consulate. Now the important thing is the paperwork, I can only go on the Multi Entry Non- Imm "O" Visa for marriage. First document and this is the document that nearly everybody had wrong.
You need a
TM87 Visa application form that is specifically for Savannahket (when you fill in the form you must write "Multi Entry" directly after Non-Immigrant Visa)
copy of your passport information page
copy of your marriage certificate
signed by you
then copy of your
wifes ID
copy of your wifes housebook
signed by your wife
your original marriage certificate which they will look at and give back to you
your passport
5000 baht.
Many people just had the normal TM87 Visa application forms which are not accepted at Savannahket.
When you get stamped back into Thailand there are 2 dates on the stamp the top date is the date that you are stamped back in and the bottom date is the date that you must do your 90 day border run by.
There is one other important thing, you will be staying in Savannakhet overnight so make sure you carry plenty of 10, 20 and 50 baht notes and coins because it does not matter where you go they will give you Lao Kip as change and nobody will change it back to Thai baht for you. I had some from a previous trip to Vientiane and even the money exchange opposite the Bangkok Bank in Sri Chant Road were not even interested in looking at the Lao Kip so I got rid of it on this trip.
Any questions feel free to ask.

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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2019, 12:15:05 PM »
Russell,

Just a couple of clarification points:

1. You were adamant about the "Multiple entry type Visa.  Why?  Because you have to do a Visa run every 90 Days, you need a Multipe entry, right?

2. This is a brand new Non "O" Marriage Visa, 1 -year, right?  This is not a renewal of your previous one.

3. Did your wife go with you?

4.  How far from the the border to the Thai Consulate, approximately.

5.  You did not require a police report or a letter of reference, right?

6.  Did you stay at the casino/hotel?

7.  You needed your wife's Blue Book not the Yellow Book?

8.  For your 90 Day Visa run, do you have to go to the Mukdahan/Savannakhet location only?

9.  So now you have a new visa and a new Form TM6, what about Form TM30?  Did your wife have to go to Khon Kaen Immigration within 24 hours?

I think answers to these questions would be most helpful for anyone considering doing this.

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« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2019, 09:40:05 PM »
Ok, Frank this is the answers to your clarifying questions in order:
1. Yes, the multi entry is because you MUST exit Thailand every 90 days and when you re-enter your stamp will have 2 dates on it which are the date you enter and the date that you must leave by.
2.This is a brand new Visa for me, it is not an extension. You cannot get an extension on this visa but you can get 15 months by leaving Thailand a couple of days before it expires and re-entering immediately and you are stamped back into the country and you are given another 90 days.
3. Yes, my wife went with me but she just sat on a seat in the courtyard and did not go to the window.
4. The distance from the Laos Immigration check point to the Thai Consulate is approx 3 kilometres
5. No police report or letter of reference needed.
6. We stayed at a small hotel, but we were booked into a guesthouse but when we arrived the previous guest had not moved out owing to problems with his visa application.
7. Must have copy of wife's Blue Book and copy of wife's ID both signed and dated by your wife.
8. For your 90 day visa run you can go to any border crossing. You do not have to stay in the other country, you only need to exit Thailand and enter the next country and then turn around at the border and come back into Thailand.
9. No, TM30 is not used because you must list your address on the TM6. entry card. You are not away from your registered home as this is a new visa.
What is important is that you have the correct application form because many people were turned away because they had the wrong application form. You must use the Visa Application Form (TM87) which is specifically for Savannahket and you must write on the top next to the visa type after Non-Immigrant "Multi Entry" this must be done before you go to the window as they will not allow you to alter any documents at the window.
Hope this information helps anyone that is thinking about this avenue because of the changes that have been made.
If anyone has anymore questions then feel free to ask them as I believe we are all here to help each other.

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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2019, 06:23:45 AM »
Thank you, Russell.  Great Information!

Another clarification, what happens after 15 months?

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« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2019, 03:24:56 PM »
Depending on what happens here in Thailand with the Thai Baht and if the immigration laws change or settle down then I can always go back to Savannakhet and apply for another visa as there is no limit on them. I met people that have been doing this for the last 13 years without any problem. Plus you do not have to have any financials tied up in Thailand at the moment at least.

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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2019, 08:41:55 PM »
This is the application form that must be use for all visa applications in Savannakhet


http://www.thaiembassy.org/savannakhet/contents/files/services-20190820-153837-960459.PDF

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« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2019, 12:02:18 PM »
Sorry, more questions, Russell!  I am looking at the Visa Application in detail now.

What did you put down as your profession?  (If you say 'retired', doesn't that push the question of why not a retirement Visa and not a Married one?)

Present Address (Lao P.D.R.)  What did you use as your 'present address'?

Countries for which your passport is valid.  Did you say everywhere?

BLOCK #4.  What dates did you use?  Duration of stay?

BLOCK #5.  Name, address, telephone number of a Guarantor in Lao P.D.R.


                  I assume you Guarantor in Thailand is your wife.

I think answering these questions will really assist those who need to go this route!



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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2019, 01:14:35 PM »
Frank,
My profession is "retired"
My marital status is "married". So I have a choice of either "retired" or "married". The choice is up to the applicant.

Present Address was left blank.
Permanent address is your address in Thailand
My passport is valid in "All Countries".
Purpose of visit = to be with my Thai wife
Duration of stay = 1 year
Guarantor in Laos was left blank
Guarantor in Thailand is my wife, our Thai address and my wife's phone number.
Remember my application was for a Multi Entry marriage visa and I can only answer questions which relate to my application. I do not know what is required for any other visa application.
There is one big difference between the marriage visa and the retirement visa and that is there is no financials needed for the marriage visa.

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« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2019, 01:38:06 PM »
There are a couple of other things that I missed.
Section #4.
Purpose of stay = to be with my Thai wife
Date of arrival in Thailand = this is the date that you will be arriving in Thailand on this visa ( my arrival date was 27 November 2019                                               which is the date that I was returning to Thailand with this visa.
Travelling by = Scheduled bus, plane, private car (whatever means of transport you are using to cross the border into Thailand)
Date of previous visit to Thailand = this is the date on the last entry stamp on your passport
Duration of proposed stay = 1 year ( my application was for a 1 year visa so you put what ever is needed for the type of visa you are                                                applying for)
Place of stay in Thailand = your home address in Thailand

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Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2019, 03:34:14 PM »
You've done a great job!  Without your suggested answers, the application form is vague and leaves many items not clear on how to answer.

You've done a great service for those who are married and need an alternative to the way Immigration has addressed all.

I just had a guy I know went to Khon Kaen Immigration to get his extension (after 31 Oct), which has to be about the 4th or 5th one without any break.  They said that he had to get insurance since it is based upon an 'O-A' Visa.

Me?  Right now I have a retirement extension to a non "O" Visa.  I just went through the monthly income method back in August.  Of course, the I/O's hate the income method even though it is fully acceptable.  Most of them, if they do not realize the income method is one of the alternatives, you have to be patient with them and suggest they go and talk to the boss.