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russell17au

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new head of immigration
« on: September 28, 2018, 05:24:46 PM »
I have just read that Maj-Gen Surachate Hakpan (Big Joke) has been made head of Thailand Immigration. If this is correct then there could be a big shake up in all the immigration offices. There could be problems for those who pay agents to get their extensions because they do not meet the financial requirements for their extensions. It would be a big feather in his cap if he got rid of a lot of falangs who did not meet the Thai Immigration requiements. The future is going to be interesting in immigration now just waiting to see what he is going to do.



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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2018, 06:04:22 PM »

Russell, I think you hit the nail on the head!  I was thinking on the same lines.  He is going to grapple with Immigration and fix it as best he can which is probably better than anyone else.  Why?  Because he wants that fourth star!


With him, there will be no BS.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 06:20:11 PM »
What evidence do you have that he is not like the majority of high up officials here? Anyway wasn't he supposed to be travelling to the UK to interview the lady who "was definitely not raped".
Oh and people that "pay agents to get their extensions because they do not meet the financial requirements" are the most pressing problem facing Thailand today ?Solving that is just what Thailand needs eh ? Priorities indeed.You do understand that it's not illegal to borrow money then pay it back later ?

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2018, 06:43:11 AM »

He is doing better than that.  He is sending a woman to work with the lady, and to interview her.


Well, his claim to fame has been arresting and deporting many undesirables out of the country.  We'll just have to wait and see.


And I think your wrong, illegals/undesirables in Thailand are a big problem and he was doing something about it prior to his promotion.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2018, 10:01:11 AM »
parryhandy the problem that you are not seeing is the many falangs in Thailand that use agents to pay a brown envelope under the counter to immigration officers to approve extensions when it is clearly that the falang does not have the finances in the bank as required by the immigration laws. These falangs are breaking the law and if you cannot see that then there is a problem. Yes, people can borrow money and pay it back, but that money must remain in a Thai bank account in the name of the falang for a period of 2 months for the first extension and 3 months for the renewal of the extensions which is clearly not happening. The name and reputation of this "Big Joke" has been acquired by his work in removing illegal falangs from Thailand. Whilst he was deputy head of the tourist police he worked on illegal workers, scammers, overstays and illegal entry to the country and now he is head of immigration I would say that he will concentrate on those that do not meet the requirements of the immigration laws which makes them illegal immigrants plus those that have overstayed their visa and also those that do not update their addresses as required. I would say that anyone who uses an agent to acquire their extension who does meet the financial for their extensions should have something to worry about. This man is going to climb the ladder and improve his name and reputation and that could even mean some of the lower rank immigration officers could be sacrificed. Remember this, in 5 months there is going to be an election in this country and the mass media reporting of the expulsion and deportation of illegal immigrants will go a long way to win votes for those that are now military offices who will soon resign and enter politics and they will do everything they can to remain in power. This man was not heard of up until it was announced by the coup that there would be a general election in February 2019 then suddenly this man appeared and it has been a constant media circus with him and the arrest and deportation of illegals and now it is going to continue in the area of immigration.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2018, 04:24:20 PM »
only officers of a certain rank and upwards can authorize retirement visas without the money being seasoned properly, just remember the higher up the chain you go the worse they have had to be to get there. The big joke publicity (him flying around appearing at every bust to claim the credit then buggering off again) is just the watch man maneuvering his people into positions of power hence the 1000 more staff needed. Different patronage lines being set up.
The well known scam at immigration is the residence certificate which is supposed to be a free service they provide but for which they charge anything from 500-1000 baht for, without receipt. Lets see what happens with that.
A far bigger problem than the one you mentioned is the way all the immigration offices apply the rules differently here. Take the reporting when you leave your province for a night. Some immigration say you/your landlord need to report in every time you return from a trip away (another province) some say only when you've left the country. Also how ridiculous is a system whereby you can be denied a visa extension because you wont pay a fine because your landlord didn't report you came back from holiday. Yes this is happening in some areas. So lets say you travel to Bangkok every weekend. Some immigration offices require your landlord/housemaster to report this every time which is just wrong on so many levels.


All the joke has done is picked some low hanging fruit ...


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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2018, 09:30:21 AM »
I would suggest parryhandy that you read the Thai Immigration Laws and many of the things that you are complaining about are in the laws, such as the reporting if out of your province for more than 24 hours. Many of the immigration offices are being lazy and not enforcing the laws as they are written. Just out of interest, have you ever filled in and lodged a TM28 as is required under the law. There are many that have not lodged this document and there are many immigration offices that say not to bother lodging it, just the TM30 will do. One of the things that has been really brought out into the public domain is the claim by the Chinese tourist that was assaulted at Don Muang was the demand for 300baht on top of the Visa fee by the immigration officer and because he refused to pay it he was refused entry into the country and that lead to the assault on the Chinese tourist. This will mean that anyone who is here in Thailand on a retirement or marriage extension who used an agent because they did not have the finances to meet the immigration requirements will have their visa extensions cancelled and be given a quick exit out of the country and the agents and the immigration officers will be charged with embezzlement. The investigation into this matter is going to start this week. So agents and those that use them for breaking the immigration laws look out. To me this is a good thing because it will lead to a more standard process and it will remove all the under the counter fees, such as the fee for the residence certificate.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 03:31:13 PM »

Great Article.  I guess it is better to see what is going to happen with illegal foreigners than to surmise what someone 'thinks' will happen or not happen.  He may be good for getting immigration on a more honest track.

"Thailand's famous crime buster "Big Joke" has been welcomed to his new job - as head of immigration.

And he started off with some tough words promising action against unscrupulous visa agents and even perhaps his own new department."

Read the full article => http://bit.ly/2P4Vezy
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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 05:45:08 PM »
"He also said he would create 1,000 new jobs in immigration to improve efficiency" pretty much tells the story.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2018, 09:53:33 AM »
Now even PM Prayut has come into the picture and told "Big Joke" to sack the staff that ask for brown envelopes. All to keep the Chinese tourists happy. He "MAY" standardize the immigration procedures so that they are the same in every office. At the moment I would say that there would be many officers unsure of there future and unsure of what is going to happen. Most of this is because some officer asked a Chinese tourist for a extra 300baht and he refused to pay it so the officer refused him entry and then the security guard assaulted him. This has really opened up a can of worms because if Thailand do not show that they are doing something about the problem then they will lose many millions in revenue because the Chinese will not come to Thailand, they have already dropped off coming since the 50 were killed in the "Phoenix" boat accident.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2018, 01:56:34 PM »

A lot of people will be VERY happy if the Chinese disappear.
They jump queues, get in first and strip buffets, take anything that isn't screwed down.....


I was in a restaurant recently and a Chinese man was eating with no top on and repeatedly spitting on the ground.


A university in Chiang Mai had to lock the lecture room doors so stop the Chinese from going in and talking very loudly throughout.
Then they urinate and defaecate all over the grounds.


Their own government knows how they behave and have issued (guidelines) but they fall on dear ears.


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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2018, 04:48:39 PM »
Here is his first action and I would say that it is also a warning. Let's hope that he does clean up the immigration dept and employ the extra 1000 officers that he says he will do.
Big Joke: Watch out visa fraudsters and foreigners - I am after you!The newly appointed head of Thai Immigration had a stark warning for visa agents and their customers extending visas yesterday. I am coming to arrest you wherever you are.  Maj-Gen Surachate Hakpan - known as Big Joke in the media - was speaking after the arrest of a Thai woman in Samrong in Bangkok.Yupin Jantakhat, 55, was acting as a visa extension agent. She has been charged with falsifying tax documents for the purpose of seeking visa extensions for her clients.

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2018, 01:31:11 PM »
Cash is King......It is too big a cash cow for the visa buying to come to a halt

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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2018, 05:56:34 PM »
Sorry Nookiebear but I must disagree with you here. Cash is not King. Think about this. 4 years ago there was a coup and the overthrow of the government and there was a promise to stamp out corruption. Where was Big Joke? not heard of. Where was big joke 2 years ago or 1 year ago, he was not heard of until after the date for the democratic election was announced and then Mr Big Joke appeared and started to clean up all this corruption and get rid of all these illegal falangs. Look at everything that has been happening, the LTD tried to increase the fines for unlicenced driving but that was stopped by the PM who openly said that there would be too many Thai's disadvantaged. Everything that is happening is a build up for the election in February, already 6 military cabinet ministers have formed and registered a political party and Mr Big Joke is doing everything which will make the PM and his little watch friend even more popular with the Thai people when they resign from the military and take up their positions as the leaders of this new political party and they will be able to say look we have gotten rid of all those rotten illegal falangs and we have made Thailand a much better place for you, so remember to vote for us at the election and we will continue doing the good work for you. If they had of done all this 4 years ago then the people would have forgotten about it but now it will be fresh in the peoples minds. Thailand is no different to any other country when it comes down to politics. Australia spends heaps of money on infrastructure in the lead up to the elections the same as most countries do and America dig up as much dirt as they can on each other to discredit each other. At the moment, yes, they are going to fight the corruption but after the election in February then that could be a very different story. So at the moment cash is not king, politics is and I believe that it will remain that way until after the February election.
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Re: new head of immigration
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2018, 06:08:02 PM »
Laws, policies, regulations that can't be enforced or won't be enforced, piled upon other laws, policies, regulations that can't be enforced or won't be enforced is not helpful.  It causes disrespect for the laws and for the government and for the governors, and encourages people to ignore, avoid, or flaunt the laws.