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Title: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on August 15, 2017, 02:49:55 PM
 I would like some guidance in the timing for my yearly renewal of my retirement extension viz. my current 90 day report.

1. My Retirement extension of stay (based upon my Type O Non-Immigrant visa) permitted up to Tuesday 28 November 2017.

2. My 90 report “notice of address” is currently valid through Wednesday 1 November 2017 at Khon Kaen.

Should I just do the renewal of my extension on November 1, the same day I do a 90 day report? Are they separate transactions or will they be handled together? And will I need to go to another desk other than #1(Reports)?

Also any additions or changes to the documents required for Extension renewal from last year - http://khonkaenforum.net/index.php?topic=699.0 ?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 15, 2017, 03:43:50 PM
You can renew your extension 30 days prior to the expiry date.  Maybe even more than 30 days, but I am not sure about that.  So, there should be no problem doing your 90 day and your extension renewal on 1 Nov.  Sometimes the extension renewal and the 90 Day Report are handled as one transaction; they staple a little note in your PP advising you of the date of the next report.  Sometimes you have to go to the 90 Day window (desk) and do it separately.  I have had it both ways, could never figure out what the criteria was.  Have your TN47, et al ready so that you are covered either way.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 16, 2017, 07:20:28 AM
I will be doing both of mine on the 21st. I will let you know how they handle it.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Red Parrot Fish on August 16, 2017, 03:09:55 PM
You can apply up to 45 days early.
Extensions and 90 day reports are handled in the same office.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 16, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
When  this happened to me last year they did the 90 day first, then I had to go and copy the new 90 day report slip to go with all the other paperwork to support the renewal of the retirement extension which they did next.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: TerryLH on August 16, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
"When  this happened to me last year they did the 90 day first, then I had to go and copy the new 90 day report slip to go with all the other paperwork to support the renewal of the retirement extension which they did next."

In my experience it's the other way around.  You need the extension done first. 
You need the extension info for the 90 day reporting, but don't need the 90 day report to get an extension.
But you situation might be different than mine.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: screamer on August 17, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
So I'm right in thinking that you can't bypass a 90 day report (retirement visa) by simply doing a "visa run"?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: mrpunch on August 17, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
If you mean a "visa run" to be what I think you mean, that is crossing a border and immediately returning, then as I understand it, your 90 day counter would indeed be reset.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 17, 2017, 05:06:25 PM
Did I read something no long ago about in-out border runs no longer being allowed or something?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on August 17, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
I am pretty sure you would need to get an exit re-entry visa for Thailand before doing the visa run. If you don't get one, you have to re-apply for your retirement visa from scratch once you are back in Thailand.

DG
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: screamer on August 17, 2017, 06:24:09 PM
OK thanks.

So a visa run might extend that part of the 90 days but not the bit to keep the retirement visa.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Windy on August 17, 2017, 07:41:56 PM
You can pay 1,900 baht and get a re-entry permit and that way keep your retirement extension, however if your just doing a 1 day out and back border run so you don't have to do a 90 day report (which is free) seems strange   ???
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: TerryLH on August 18, 2017, 02:39:54 AM
"So a visa run might extend that part of the 90 days but not the bit to keep the retirement visa."

"You can pay 1,900 baht and get a re-entry permit and that way keep your retirement extension, however if your just doing a 1 day out and back border run so you don't have to do a 90 day report (which is free) seems strange   ???"


When you do a 90 day report you are not extending anything.  You are simply reporting that you have been in country 90 days, and giving them your address.
If you leave the country before you have been here 90 days, there is no report required.  Re-entering the country resets the clock - with the day you enter as Day 1. 
The process sort of makes sense, since when you re-enter the country you fill out an arrival card giving your address.

A re-entry permit costs 1000 baht for a single entry, and 3800 for a multiple entry permit.
The permit just preserves your permission to stay date.  It doesn't add any days to your stay.

Rex, since January you are allowed 2 visa exempt entries by land in a calendar year.  That's probably what you are referring to.

Terry
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on August 18, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
Or you could try doing your 90 day report online the middle to end of October:

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/online_serivces
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: screamer on August 18, 2017, 03:07:54 PM
Thanks  smiley32
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 21, 2017, 02:00:34 PM
Did my 90 day report and Extension this morning. The same I/O did both together and I was in and out in 20 minutes. Very painless!
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on August 22, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Did my 90 day report and Extension this morning. The same I/O did both together and I was in and out in 20 minutes. Very painless!
Did you do this at the 90 day reporting desk (#1) or one of the other desks?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 23, 2017, 05:55:29 AM
One of the other desks. He did the extension first and while waiting for the supervisor to approve the extension, he did the 90 day report.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: kowpot on August 23, 2017, 06:36:01 AM
Of course I have not been to all of the immigration offices in Thailand. But I think we have one of the best immigration offices here in Khon Kaen.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 23, 2017, 02:05:19 PM
Certainly better than the long drive to Nong Khai to see officer "Mr. Happy"  as we used to do before KK office opened.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on August 30, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
Yesterday I got my retirement visa extension and a single exit/re-entry visa. Nothing new in the process except at the very end. I was given two original receipts, 1900 and 1000 baht. I was asked to go outside and make copies of the originals so immigration could have a copy. That was a first for me and qualified as a "whatever".

Very quiet yesterday. I got there at 8:40 and got ticket number 2, number 1 was already gone so no waiting at all.

Dave G
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Shipm8te on September 06, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
Annual extension today (retirement).  In and out in under 10 minutes.  All forms completed and copies made at home prior to arrival at immigration.  One thing new, when they issued my receipt, I had to go out and make a copy of the receipt for them.  No idea why but easy hoop to jump through.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on September 06, 2017, 04:00:57 PM
Thanks for the report Shipm8te!  They are probably just trying to avoid carbon paper abuse!
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on September 06, 2017, 08:35:32 PM
Thanks for the report Shipm8te!  They are probably just trying to avoid carbon paper abuse!
What's carbon paper????
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on September 07, 2017, 09:35:23 AM
Thanks for the report Shipm8te!  They are probably just trying to avoid carbon paper abuse!
What's carbon paper????

Better not tell you.  If I did, you might be tempted to abuse it!  roll
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Reuben on August 07, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
Can the annual renewal based on retirement be done 30 days early, or did I just dream that?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 07, 2019, 12:55:17 PM
You just dreamt it!  However, as it happens, your dream was true!   roll  I believe you an renew up to 45 days early.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 07, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
I am not sure about the 45 days, but the last time I went in to submit my 90-Report, the woman on the Desk #2 said my next report would be 13 August.  She then checked the renewal date of my Retirement Extension, which is 12 September.  She then got out her calendar to check on my 90-day report date and my renewal of extension date, and told me I just made it and could renew both on the 13 of August.  This is at the 30 day early mark for my retirement extension.  So I assumed 30 days early was allowable for my extension.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Reuben on August 15, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
Made my annual renewal today based on retirement using the monthly deposit amount of 65,000 baht or more.  Took over an hour to get approval.  First they didn’t like the fact that in October last year two deposits were made, but not one in November (transfer arrived early).  Then they questioned the last two deposits from TransferWise that are listed as being received via SMART and wanted to know what that was. They also didn’t like that I use a bank printout of transactions in stead showing my bank book which I couldn’t use as I neglected to updated it often so many transactions didn’t show.  Finally the boss in the back mulled it over for 30 minutes or so, she then asked if I had a copy of the Embassy Income Letter from last year which I luckily had.  After more looking and figuring I finally received my one year extension.  No mention of the infamous TM30.  This was my 20th renewal. Had documents read for extension based on marriage so could have done that if necessary. Will go the 800,000 baht route next year.  Good luck to all of you with extension in the near future.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 15, 2019, 04:40:04 PM
Just saw this on the ThaiVisa Newsletter;

http://bit.ly/2Za3IO4 (http://bit.ly/2Za3IO4)


"I'm using the 65,000 baht method for my extension to stay. Khon Kaen immigration said I need two documents from the bank, one confirming international transfers the other current account status. The immigration officer said I need to show 12 months of international transfers, no leniency this year. That was as of two months ago so by now that may have changed or another IO may have a different view.

For me this means the confirmation documents from two Bangkok Bank accounts in two different provinces to show 12 months x 65,000 baht international transfers. Even though my Khon Kaen account has monthly transfers going back to January I need the confirmations for the last three months of 2018 from the distant branch (still in Esahn) to satisfy the IO. My bank books together clearly show at least 65,000/month for 12 months with the FTT code.

It's my understanding the document confirming international transfers is requested by me at the local branch and the request is sent off to bank HQ in Bangkok then I need to return in about seven days to receive the document. This would be a bit of a pain since it would require two three hour round trips driving to the other province. And I will be on a tight schedule to get it all done in time.

On to my questions:

Is it possible to Visit Bangkok Bank Silom with my bank books and get it all done there in one visit?

or the preferred method:

Is it possible to request documents for a Bangkok Bank in another province from my local Bangkok Bank?
 
I'm currently out of the country so I can't visit the bank and check myself."
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 19, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Did my annual extension this morning with no problems. Although I must admit I had my secret weapon with me.......my wife! She is a retired government employee and knows just what to say and how to say it to government officials to get them to see her point of view. I only had 9 months of transfers and just the deposit printout from SCB showing the foreign transfers and my bank book. The whole process....90 day report and extension took about 45 minutes.


As a side note, I asked him about their policy on TM-30's. Specifically, if we were to go to Hua Hin for 3 or 4 days, would we have to file a new TM-30 when we get back. He said if I was returning to the same house that I was already registered in, then no new TM-30 is required. However, if you leave Thailand, then they want a new TM-30 when you return.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 19, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
The last paragraph is in direct contradiction to what I was told three days ago, last Friday.  I asked if I went to Korat for 2 nights and came back would they want a TM30 from me.  He said from me no, but from the house owner.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 19, 2019, 03:30:32 PM
Amazing! Which I/O told you that? I got my info from the guy that is usually at counter # 1.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 19, 2019, 05:00:10 PM
For all of us that are retired here in Thailand and don't have a work permit, or run a business that requires much travel mostly out of the country, why such an issue with Form TM30?

The last two times that I have gone with my wife who actually is the one who has to submit the Form TM30, the discussion is always confirmation of the need for my wife to submit a Form TM30 every time I, the foreigner, returns to our home from a 24-hour plus trip anywhere.

Think about it, you depart from your residence in Khon Kaen and go somewhere, for example, Udorn for 3 days.  You stay in a hotel who is required to provide the government with a Form TM30 about you.

Then What?  How does Immigration know if you are going somewhere else or back home unless the next stop lets them know with a Form TM30?  You sort of disappear if there is no 'paper' trail.  We, the good guys, say but we will come home.  What about the bad guys?  Many disappear.  So, if there is no 'paper' trail, are we the bad guys too?

retfed50, the last time the guy at Counter #1 did my paperwork, we told him we were going to Chiang Mai for several days.  He told us that my wife had to provide them with a Form TM30 when we returned from Chiang Mai!  So the answer is what he decides, most likely in front of your government employee wife is a response to support her.  Anyway, he is not responsible for Form TM30 or is anyone else in the row of I/O's.  All Form TM30 submitters, including your wife, are required to go to the window outside of the Immigration Office to submit the Form TM30.

For those who rent or lease a residence and take issue with having to cause undo hardship on the absent home owner or the condo management group, there is a power of attorney form specifically providing the renter or lessee the authority to submit the Form TM30.


Whether or not the Thai Government elects to change the law on Form TM30, the biggest issue has to be implementing a consistent process across all Immigration Offices.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: retfed50 on August 19, 2019, 05:12:06 PM
I know the I/O's that handle things inside don't have anything to do with the TM-30s but you would think they would know the policy. Your last paragraph says it all.....the lack of consistency between Immigration offices. Until all offices are on the same page and not allowed to make up their own  rules and policy, then it is going to continue to be one huge ball of confusion.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: screamer on August 19, 2019, 05:20:13 PM
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/special-reports/1732599/confusion-reigns-in-tm30-palaver
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 19, 2019, 05:35:36 PM
I have heard from various reports on ThaiVisa threads:


1. As Frank reports, TM30 must be filed  24 hours after return from anyplace outside of the province.
2. People on retirement extensions do not need to file TM30
3. You only need to file TM30 if you return from a trip outside of Thailand.
4. If you are just staying with friends, no need to file. That, of course is obvious, since how would Imm know you had gone anywhere?

Obviously, the only point of logic is simply to either ignore filing and take your chances, or interpret the regulation in the strictest way and file every time you go anywhere even if you suspect it might not be necessary.


The fact is that complaining about "hardship" is not going to get much traction.  In the first place, Imm job is not to make anyone's life easier. In the second place, the rule affects different people differently.  In some cases, it is a real pain in the butt for anyone who travels a lot and has to make a long drive to a distant Imm office, or in Bangkok where it apparently takes two hours or more to get anything done, even filing a TM30.  For others who live closer to an Imm office or have figured out how to file online, or have a proxy file for them, it is not a big deal.


However, in my thinking, the bigger issue is that this is abhorrent behavior on the part of a supposedly modern, developing nation hoping to take it's place as an equal partner in the global community. A modern "democratic" state does not do surveillance and keeping tabs on people residing  legally within n it's borders without some version of "reasonable cause" and "due process."  I realize that as a practical matter, the impact is relatively minor for most people.  But what's next? There is always a "next," and whatever it is, it won't be designed to make things easier. Oh, yeah, insurance is next.  Think about how you would feel in your home country being visited by foreign friends, legally in your country, and being compelled by force of law to "write them up" and file a form with the government?   It doesn't matter how easy they make it, the principle is the same. From what I have read, Imm officials are responding the the convenience issue and seem oblivious the the civil liberties and human rights concerns.

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Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 19, 2019, 07:09:12 PM
retfed50  it was an officer I have never seen before and he was sitting at the right-hand most desk.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 19, 2019, 07:16:08 PM
In addition the same officer gave me my next 90 day report date of mid-November which was 2 months past the expiry date  of my current visa next month.  I have never known that before.  In the past the next reporting date has always been  the expiry date of the visa if less than 90 days away.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 20, 2019, 09:06:26 AM
LungBing, the last two times where my 90-day report renewal was past the expiration date of my extension, two different I/O's made a note on the 90 day receipt that my extension expired prior to the date of the 90 day renewal.  I don't think that is any real issue.  If you get stopped by the police and your 1-year extension has expired, they really don't care about the 90 day report.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 20, 2019, 05:10:29 PM
I need to renew my retirement extension by 12 September using the 65K baht/month international transfer deposits.  So, I went to the Bangkok Bank at Central Plaza to begin the process by requesting a 1-year bank statement.  The assistant manager told me that getting a 6-month bank statement was an immediate process, like less than an hour.  But to get a 1-year statement took 5 business days.  So, if I requested that statement today Tuesday, I would get my statement on the following Tuesday.  I told him that typically Thai Immigration wanted a bank commitment on the account to be no more than one day old, so he said that we would make a copy of the last page of my bank book and he would stamp the page as the most current transactions, date, and sign the stamp.  (I asked him about an option of giving a short bank statement for those few days, but he wasn't too excited about giving me a 2nd statement for that short period.) We will see how his approach works with Immigration.


So, now I thought, well next year, I will make sure I go to the bank and get a 6-month statement from them beginning the 1st of September 2019 to the 1st of March 2020, or 6-months.  Then get a 2nd 6-month statement from the 1st of March 2020 to the 1st of September 2020.  It seems that should fly and not require any 5 business day wait.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 20, 2019, 10:04:52 PM
Can someone confirm, please. I thought the one-day business was about your balance on the day you apply for your extension. I have also read some places that they want a B100 deposit on the day of the renewal.  I did not think it was about the bank letter to establish 12 monthly deposits of B65K.  No?   
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 21, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
We shall see when I go to Immigration on next Wednesday, and report back.

Rex, when you are there for your 90-Day Report, ask the question.  It'll be very interesting what they say.  The last two times I was there for the 90-Day Report, I got innocuous answers to my question on the deposits, never a firm and specific answer.  AND usually the answer, if any, is different on the I/O to whom you speak.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on August 21, 2019, 03:14:37 PM
Frank, when you are at Imm on Wednesday just have a look at the faces of the staff, I was there about 2 weeks ago and I did not recognize any of the staff there. I was served at desk 4 and it was not the usual girl also the girl that is normally at desk 2 was not there and I did not know the girl at desk 3.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 21, 2019, 04:00:53 PM
Russell, I was there on the 31st of July for my 90-Day Report at 0830.  The same I/O's were at Desk #1, #2, and possibly #3.  #2 waited on me.  #1 had sauntered in a few minutes after I arrived.  #3 was busy putting on her makeup.  And Desk #4 was unoccupied.

By the way, I always say "Good Morning" to the guy at Desk #1.  When I get him to do something for me, it is as easy as cutting a piece of pie.

To me, #2 is a piece of work.  I am sure that she thinks she is the cat's meow!  She is the one that gave me innocuous answers when I asked her what I needed from the bank in the way of a document.  Of course, her constant response is always towards have 800K baht in an account.  When I tell her I will be doing the 65K baht/month type of application, that almost sounds foreign to her!

On Rex's comment about having a minimum deposit of 100 baht deposited into the account on the day before or same day as the request of extension is submitted, so that one's copy of their bank book shows that, I am going to do it whether I need it or not.  Better to be safe than sorry and then having to run around to fix the apparent issue.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 21, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
I suspect that its not the sum of 100 baht that's important but a transaction  of some sort, withdrawal or deposit, that causes the bank book to be updated that day to reflect the transaction.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 27, 2019, 05:07:44 PM
I did the renewal of my retirement extension today at Khon Kaen Immigration.  Other than the fact that IMM was crowded and it took a long time for my number to be called, I spent about 30 minutes once called on.  ALL IS GOOD IN KKC!


First, got called by Station #1 I/O.  When I told him I was there to get my retirement extension based upon the monthly income method, he looked like he just got a migraine.  He picked up everything I brought and gave it back to me to go see the I/O supervisor in the enclosed office.


Second, after the niceties, she asked if I had any documentation on my previous year's income, such as a letter from the USG, i.e., Social security Admin, a letter from my employer, i.e., Lockheed Martin, and anything thing else to support.  I also had with me my IRS 2018 Form 1040 and some other documentation from my private retirement account from which I withdraw funds.  (She was pleased.)


Then she looked at the rest of the material I had to support the monthly income requirements.
Even though I had an online copy of my bank statements, she could have cared less.


She then said that next year, I needed to provide them a small spread sheet (see attached) to be presented in front of the 1-year bank Statement.  (She penciled one together as we spoke and put it on top of the bank statement to go back to the I/O.


So, here is the list of items to be provided:


Once done with the supervisor, went back out with the papers to the I/O.  She yelled out something to him about "not a problem."


I paid my fee.  Gave him 2,000 baht (2-1,000 baht bills), and got a receipt for 1,900 baht - enough said!


He finished the process and took it back to the supervisor.  A minute of two later, she brought out the package and told him to have me SIGN EVERY DAMN PAGE!  (Guess Bangkok IMM Auditors are sticklers for that.)


It was pretty benign.  So, the I/O's don't process the monthly income evaluation, the supervisor does (at least for me.)


PS.  The supervisor said to make sure you have equal to or greater than the 65K baht per month, or it would really be a problem.

Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: LungBing on August 27, 2019, 05:23:33 PM
Thanks very much for that.  Mine is due in two weeks and I am in the same boat as you.
Did you mean to attach a copy of the spreadsheet?  It would be most useful.
Thanks again
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 27, 2019, 05:31:21 PM
I just remembered that I did not attach.  Here it is, sort of generic.  I should have done it without being asked, but wasn't sure it would be what they wanted.  Now we know, at in August and September of 2019!  But she was adamant about needing it next year.

So you would be ahead of the 'game' if you supplied it this year, LungBing!
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 27, 2019, 05:50:27 PM
I left one item out, the supporting income data from 2018.

So, here is the list of items to be provided:
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 28, 2019, 07:40:11 PM
Unless something dramatic happens over the next 6-9 months, no more comments on extensions from me.

I have provided the recommended list of items to be brought to immigration for the extension, per the supervisor there.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on August 29, 2019, 07:32:36 AM
Today is my turn at KK Immigration doing the 65k a month process for retirement extension. Thanks for the info Frank.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 29, 2019, 09:00:18 AM
Savannah, it seems the I/O's really do not like having to deal with the monthly deposits.  They like to look at the 1-year statement only for the last 2-3 months to check to make sure either 800,000 or 400,000 baht have been seasoned in the account, retirement or marriage respectively.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on August 29, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
I just remembered that I did not attach.  Here it is, sort of generic.  I should have done it without being asked, but wasn't sure it would be what they wanted.  Now we know, at in August and September of 2019!  But she was adamant about needing it next year.

So you would be ahead of the 'game' if you supplied it this year, LungBing!
Hi Frank: Just to be clear, is this income spreadsheet showing transferred to Thailand only?Fred
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 29, 2019, 12:01:38 PM
Frank should answer, but it "must" be income and not transfers because the transfers are appear on the bank statement, in the bank book  and as affirmed by the bank letter.   OTOH, this would not be the first bit of useless paper they have demanded.

This new requirement of wanting the source of the income is annoying. The income affidavit letter they accepted for decades says quote-unquote "I also affirm that I receive a monthly income of $____________ from sources in the United States."

It does not specific the nature and sources of this income. 

Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on August 29, 2019, 01:33:24 PM
I was only asking because of the three months, showing two separate streams of incomes, only one of which had a amount of less than 65,000 baht from the one stream. Next year I'll have my Minimum Required Distribution from my IRAs which I may or may not transfer in whole or in part to Thailand depending on need/exchange rate/etc.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 29, 2019, 03:11:02 PM
Let me be very clear, they don't care where the income is produced as long as it comes to Thailand as an International Transfer.  I expect it should be in one bank account.  If you have two streams of income that are shown in two different accounts, from what I saw on ThaiVisa, you may have a slight problem.

The supervisor, not the I/O, asked me if I was retired.  She also asked me if I had some information with me from 2018 showing my income, which I provided (just so happened that to be ready, I had it with me.)  This did not bother me.  I WANTED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE EASY AND IN TURN, MY LIFE EASY!!!!

I also had my 2019 letter from the Social Security Administration, and my 2019 letter from my employer, which I provided. (When we could use the US Embassy letter as 'proof' of income, I always attached these two letters to the Embassy letter when applying for my extension.)

If you are  concerned about providing this personal information, don't bring it with you or at least do not provide it to them.

Oh yes, the supervisor could care less if I was transferring out of my account the money right after getting the money deposited.

Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on August 29, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
Frank, letter from you "employer"?  You man an employer who is paying retirement benefits?

Thanks again for your time and careful reporting.  Very helpful.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on August 29, 2019, 05:02:14 PM
Yes.  My old company from which I retired has an employee service center online.  Any time that I wish to get a letter of confirmation of my pension benefits, I can request.  It goes to my sister's house (I use it as my US address), and she scans and sends to me.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on August 29, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
I am now good until Sept 4, 2020. Brought all the stuff Frank detailed and a copy of my wife's Thai ID. They kept everything. I asked about changing to a marriage visa. The supervisor at KK Immigration said to have 400,000 baht in the bank at least two months prior to Sept 4, 2020. Glad its done.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on September 05, 2019, 09:20:31 AM
Yes.  My old company from which I retired has an employee service center online.  Any time that I wish to get a letter of confirmation of my pension benefits, I can request.  It goes to my sister's house (I use it as my US address), and she scans and sends to me.
Frank or Savannah:
Another question. Did you have a certified Thai translation attached to the copy of the original letter? Thanks again.
Fred
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on September 05, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
No.  She only asked for supporting data.
Title: Renewal of Retirement extension
Post by: fceligoj on October 21, 2019, 05:17:25 PM
Figured this would be as good a place as any to provide this happening.  Not sure if anyone else has come up with this problem and the 'solution' Khon Kaen Immigration required.

About two weeks ago (about 8-9 Oct 2019), a friend (from UK) went to renew his retirement extension.  He has been using TransferWise for his 'international' transfers.  Seem like one of the early transfers did not show 'from abroad'  but the normal 'local transfer.'  IMM would not accept it at face value (even with the TransferWise receipt) and refused to process the extension as is.

He was with his Thai gf and they tried to negotiate with whomever at Immigration and had a continuing conversation on what did they have to do to process it.

Well, of course Immigration came up with a solution.  Since this is the first time doing the 65K baht transfers per month where there was only one month with the problem, they would accept a 10,000 baht fee to proceed with the extension.

We now know what is required if an expat has this issue.

Another story.

Another friend (Aussie) uses a service in Bangkok, very expensive, to process the extensions for him.  They do all the work.  AND he is NOT required to have funds in a Thai Bank!  (Guess it must be a huge fee to process with this approach.)
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on October 21, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
Thanks for posting this, Frank. It is very disappointing that KK IMM chooses to be so strict about this (at least as it pertained to your friend). Especially disappointing as this is the first year people have had to demonstrate these deposits and an Imm Official said that they would show leniency the first year as people might have a problem getting the transfers set up and working properly.

I have read on another forum that agents are providing the service you describe for between B12K-14K. However, in those cases, the renewal is filed in Jomtien or in another Imm office which, of course, creates it's own set of complications and risks. With one, you can do it by mail.  With the one who reports in Jomtien, you have to be in Pattaya for a few days to file and then personally collect the visa.  The is one person who will apply locally which solves the above problems, but the fee is much higher, B20K.  Still, might come out the same considering a trip to Pattaya.  I posted this info a couple of weeks ago. If anyone has any questions, don't ask me about it. Contact the e-mail addy and get a call back. There are several lengthy threads about it on ThaiVisa.com.

My Thai Visa
Khon Kaen
som@mythaivisa.com
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on October 22, 2019, 11:38:47 AM
Just as an addendum, I don't mean to sound mysterious about any of this, just trying to exercise good judgement and common sense as pertains to myself and this website. The fact of the matter is, however,  that these several agents are operating completely out in the open, they have offices, they advertise, they are not at all coy about what they offer, and have been doing this for a long time. Considering that these agents might be providing some services that might be improper, how can the operate so openly?  I don't really have an answer for that except the cliche "This is Thailand."
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on October 22, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
First off, I am on a marriage extension and have never used any agents. I do know of agents here in Khon Kaen who do everything and you do not need the money in the bank but it costs 19000 baht. The big risk is that if anything goes wrong then you have no kick back. It is a risk if you use an agent to do your extensions. If anyone wants the contact details of the agent then post on here and I will get a contact for you
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on October 24, 2019, 10:58:19 AM
90-Day Report - in and out in less than 7 minutes.  Even though 4 I/O's at their desks, only one working early (0835) and was just finishing up with a farang.  There two other individuals waiting for something more 'complex' than a 90-Day Report had to wait.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on November 08, 2019, 07:24:02 AM
Just a few minutes ago I did the online process for the 90 day report.


https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do (https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do)


New twist this time. I filled in the required info and hit the submit button. Instant approval. Printed out the form, which indicates I need to do it again in Feb 2020, to staple in my passport.  The instant approval was the new twist.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Reuben on November 08, 2019, 03:32:14 PM
Just attempted the online 90 day reporting.  After I completed the forum and entering submit I got a message that said "contact the immigration branch office in our residence area".
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on November 08, 2019, 07:30:27 PM
Renewed my retirement extension today. Arrived Imm 11:53 am, out the door 12:18 pm, 25 minutes total.  The agent took care of everything while I sat and waited in the peanut gallery. The only actual contact I had with an I/O was briefly to have my picture took, after which she told me to return to the peanut gallery and think about my sins. Did my 90 Day at the same time.

The process leading up to that began at 9:00 with the agent picking me up at my house and taking me to her office to sort out documents. That would have been brief except that some clients had arrived ahead of me unexpectedly and delayed things for awhile. Then a couple of trips to the bank and one comic error (What would Thailand be without a comic error or two?)  Attempting to withdraw funds from my account, they noticed that I had not signed my bank book. The explanation for that seems to be that you sign the book with a pressure sensitive overlay that transfers signature to the book. The best guess was that I didn't sign with enough pressure to transfer the signature, and the woman who opened my account didn't notice. I remember that it was hectic in the bank that day and we had a lot of business to transact. In any event, that necessitated an unscheduled trip to my home Sri Chan branch to get a new bank book. Then, onward to Imm to get the renewal.

I have had immigration on my mind more this year than the previous 20 I have lived in Thailand. Probably more than the previous 20 combined, and I have have not enjoyed the process very much at all. Although this year, I have used TransferWise to transfer nearly B900K, I am unable to show 12 monthly deposits, hence the need for an agent this year. I suspect that next year--should I decided to remain in Thailand, which I probably will--I will have all of my ducks in a row and can do this on my own again.  However, it is nice to know that agent services are available if you need them.



Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: avvocato on November 14, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
I renewed my retirement extension on Tuesday - Nov. 12. It didn't go smoothly. I had all the paperwork for the 65,000 baht per month method as previously identified in this thread. When I was called to desk No. 2, I stated I wanted to renew using this monthly method. When the I/O went through the paperwork, she wanted to see the certification from my bank that I had 800,000 baht in for the last three months. I again said I want to use the 65,000 baht method. In the course of the conversation it was apparent sent didn't understand (or wasn't going to do this) because she kept asking for a "certification" from the bank. (what I had was the bank "official" one year bank statement that showed monthly foreign transfers of over 65,000 baht.) It soon became obvious that the only way I was going to get renewed was with the 800,000 baht method. Either she didn't understand or she did and was pushing me into that direction. Luckily I had this balance in my bank (I didn't want to dip below this not knowing how Imm. was going to handle the 65,000 monthly method). So in the end I went to a bank branch office and got the 800,000 certification /statement, returned to Imm. and got the renewal.
I didn't really want to argue with her about why she wasn't OK with the one year bank statement showing the 65,000 per month, so I took the path of least resistance, since I also met the criteria for the 800,000 lump-sum method.
Just be aware that you might have to find the right I/O, to use the 65,000 per month method.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on November 14, 2019, 06:53:12 PM
Thanks for the report, Avvocato.  I am almost disappointed that you had the B800K in the bank  as it would be important to know what would have happened if you didn't have it. Really sorry to hear about your experience.

It is pretty clear that the process will no longer provide a sense of security that if you follow the rules you can relax and plan ahead for at least for another year.  Whether it is by design or just the way things are shaking out, the feeling of being unwelcome is becoming more and more palpable. Maybe we have always been unwelcome, but years ago the desire for foreign currency produced those phony-baloney smiles and a small measure of tolerance.

One of the important morals of your story is to make it a point to renew the full 45 days prior to your expiry date. That way, you have some time to take corrective measures if something goes wrong.

Terry or somebody:  What is the correct procedure in a situation like Avvocato's where you feel like you are in the right and have a legitimate gripe with the way your case is being handled by the I/O? Is there any appeal?  Can you ask to speak to the boss?  Is there any way to have the I/O's decision reviewed?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 15, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
Well, Rex, I am off to Savannakhet to get a Multi Entry Marriage visa because I went to desk #1 to renew my marriage extension on 11 November on the income system and it was refused even thou I had all the correct paperwork, But like avvacato he was pushing for the certification letter from the bank. I think that they are trying to push us to go via an agent or they are only interested in the seasoned money in the bank system. There is an appeal system but how long does it take for that? We could end up on overstay be the time the appeal is heard. With the marriage system at least a person can go to Savannakhet and get a 1 year visa but it means that every 90 days you have a day out and do a border run but this visa can be good for 15 months if you do it right
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on November 15, 2019, 10:20:19 AM
Thanks for the report, Russell.  What a bummer!  We have been through enough pain getting these TransferWise transfers sorted out so that they show as foreign transfers, jumped through all the hoops, and now are refused an option clearly provided by Imm law.  Can others post their experiences here, please.   I am going to raise this on ThaiVisa and see if we can get additional info.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Henry on November 15, 2019, 12:52:05 PM



 Just did my retirement extension. In and out in 15 minutes. 15 years ago, an IO at Nong Khai, said I should just park 800k in a bank account and leave it there. ( I guess she was assuming that wouldn't be a problem for any falang). I didn't have it, so my wife took 800k out of her US 401k pension and gave it to me. What a sweetheart! So I put it in a fixed account and never had a problem with extensions.


 I'm sure they prefer the 800k method because it's a lot easier for them. Less paperwork and all done on the spot.


 This year, I was waiting to see if they were going to tell me to bring in a bank statement with my next 90 day report to check that I still have the money in the bank. No mention of it at all.


 Also, I've never been asked for a TM30. I have one, but I'm not about to offer it if not asked. From what I've heard, they usually ask if the wife is also present. I always go alone. They have never asked about the wife before, but this time the IO asked if I came alone. I said yes and then at the end he asked why my wife didn't come. Not sure what was on his mind.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Savannah20 on November 15, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Yesterday, at KK Immigration, I asked if I needed to send 65k or more to Thailand during the month or months I am in the USA each year. I was told either 65k each month or 800k in the bank were the options. Didn't sound like there were any exceptions. I was not surprised at their response but thought I might as well ask
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: TerryLH on November 16, 2019, 03:28:03 AM

"... and it was refused even thou I had all the correct paperwork, But like avvacato he was pushing for the certification letter from the bank. "


If you're using income without a letter from your embassy, I understand that there are two letters you need to get from your bank.
1 showing it's your account, and what's in it
and
2  a letter showing just the income deposits - and showing they came from overseas.  Sort of an itemized list.


I'm pretty sure the second letter is for the convenience of someone - so they don't have to scrutinize pages of bank entries in your bankbook.


Terry
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on November 16, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
Thanks, Terry.  This is really crucial.  We need to now if the OP refused an extension were refused on the basis of incorrect or incomplete paperwork/documentation ... or were they refused because the I/O disallowed the B65K monthly method, period. Very important. 
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on November 16, 2019, 09:03:21 AM
Sat 16 Nov 2019, 9:01 am

This is a post on ThaiVisa.com. Reposting here with permission.  Thanks, OP!


Quote from: The OP on ThaiVisa
In September I was successful with getting my 1 year extension at Khon Kaen based on 65K/month for 12 months.

At first the IO said I needed 800K deposit in the bank. I said that 65K/month was allowed. We went back and forth politely until the IO got up and went to the IO in the small office at the rear, the one that signs off on the extensions.

Came back and said OK but they were very firm that it needed to be 12 months which I was able to prove. All clearly international transfers.

My suggestion is to dress and speak politely. If there is some problem, trying to convince the IO to ask the boss will go better if they have some respect for you.

View the complete thread on ThaiVisa.com => http://bit.ly/2KnzaQo
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Windy on November 20, 2019, 06:23:41 PM
Well, Rex, I am off to Savannakhet to get a Multi Entry Marriage visa because I went to desk #1 to renew my marriage extension on 11 November on the income system and it was refused even thou I had all the correct paperwork, But like avvacato he was pushing for the certification letter from the bank. I think that they are trying to push us to go via an agent or they are only interested in the seasoned money in the bank system. There is an appeal system but how long does it take for that? We could end up on overstay be the time the appeal is heard. With the marriage system at least a person can go to Savannakhet and get a 1 year visa but it means that every 90 days you have a day out and do a border run but this visa can be good for 15 months if you do it right


Russell, can you give us a report on how things went in Savannakhet.  I think I will go this route again for 12-15 months and by then hopefully they have the monthly income requirements for retirement and marriage extensions worked out.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 27, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Here is the update for Savannahket. This is everything that I did in respect of getting my Non-Imm "O" Multi Entry marriage visa. Monday 25th went to Lao Consulate near the northern Tesco and got my tourist visa for Lao, cost 1500 baht was also given arrival and departure card so filled out card on Monday night. On Tuesday 26th I left home in Khon Kaen at 4:30 in the morning and drove out to the secured parking at the Thai immigration check point at Mukdahan, parking cost 250 baht, went through Thai immigration and bought a bus ticket at the stall to the left of the passport control stalls for 100 baht, got on the bus across to the Lao immigration check point and because I had already filled in the arrival and departure card, there was no delay at the passport control stall so was stamped in then went through the passport check desk and onto the bus for the trip to the bus station, there I took a tuk tuk back to the Thai Consulate for the cost of 80 baht. I arrived at the consulate at 8:15 and had to wait until 8:30 for it to open and there was already a few people there waiting. The gate opened and in we went, but many people did not have the correct paperwork, (I will explain what you need at the end of this) so they were sent away to get the right paperwork and copies. Anyway I got to the window and handed in my paperwork which they looked at and then asked for the 5000 baht  which I gave them and they gave me a ticket for the next afternoon to pick my passport up. The whole time at the window took me 2 minutes. Then I took a tuk tuk to my accommodation. I arranged for the tuk tuk to pick me up at my accommodation at 1:30 on Wednesday 27th and take me back to the Thai Consulate where there were a few already waiting for the gate to open at 2:00 pm. We went in and when you got to the window you handed in the ticket that you got the previous day which had a number on it and they gave you your passport for you to check the visa then it was out the gate onto a tuk tuk and straight to Lao immigration checkpoint cost of tuk tuk was 100 baht went through Lao immigration and was stamped out of Lao then bought a ticket for the bus for 100 baht across to Thai Immigration where you will find some very helpful young ladies who will fill in your TM6 for you for free and then you go through Thai Immigration passport checkpoint where you will be stamped into Thailand. Then picked up the car and was back home in Khon Kaen by 7:30pm. The reason why I drove out to Mukdahan is that the buses and vans do not start until 6:30 in the morning for Mudkahan and the first van is supposed to arrive at Mudkahan at 9:30 and the bus from Mudkahan leaves at 9:45, and in normal Thai fashion the possibility of the van being late into Mudkahan would mean you miss that bus and then there is a very good chance that you would miss the closing time of 11:00am at the Thai Consulate. Now the important thing is the paperwork, I can only go on the Multi Entry Non- Imm "O" Visa for marriage. First document and this is the document that nearly everybody had wrong.
You need a
TM87 Visa application form that is specifically for Savannahket (when you fill in the form you must write "Multi Entry" directly after Non-Immigrant Visa)
copy of your passport information page
copy of your marriage certificate
signed by you
then copy of your
wifes ID
copy of your wifes housebook
signed by your wife
your original marriage certificate which they will look at and give back to you
your passport
5000 baht.
Many people just had the normal TM87 Visa application forms which are not accepted at Savannahket.
When you get stamped back into Thailand there are 2 dates on the stamp the top date is the date that you are stamped back in and the bottom date is the date that you must do your 90 day border run by.
There is one other important thing, you will be staying in Savannakhet overnight so make sure you carry plenty of 10, 20 and 50 baht notes and coins because it does not matter where you go they will give you Lao Kip as change and nobody will change it back to Thai baht for you. I had some from a previous trip to Vientiane and even the money exchange opposite the Bangkok Bank in Sri Chant Road were not even interested in looking at the Lao Kip so I got rid of it on this trip.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on November 28, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
Russell,

Just a couple of clarification points:

1. You were adamant about the "Multiple entry type Visa.  Why?  Because you have to do a Visa run every 90 Days, you need a Multipe entry, right?

2. This is a brand new Non "O" Marriage Visa, 1 -year, right?  This is not a renewal of your previous one.

3. Did your wife go with you?

4.  How far from the the border to the Thai Consulate, approximately.

5.  You did not require a police report or a letter of reference, right?

6.  Did you stay at the casino/hotel?

7.  You needed your wife's Blue Book not the Yellow Book?

8.  For your 90 Day Visa run, do you have to go to the Mukdahan/Savannakhet location only?

9.  So now you have a new visa and a new Form TM6, what about Form TM30?  Did your wife have to go to Khon Kaen Immigration within 24 hours?

I think answers to these questions would be most helpful for anyone considering doing this.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 28, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
Ok, Frank this is the answers to your clarifying questions in order:
1. Yes, the multi entry is because you MUST exit Thailand every 90 days and when you re-enter your stamp will have 2 dates on it which are the date you enter and the date that you must leave by.
2.This is a brand new Visa for me, it is not an extension. You cannot get an extension on this visa but you can get 15 months by leaving Thailand a couple of days before it expires and re-entering immediately and you are stamped back into the country and you are given another 90 days.
3. Yes, my wife went with me but she just sat on a seat in the courtyard and did not go to the window.
4. The distance from the Laos Immigration check point to the Thai Consulate is approx 3 kilometres
5. No police report or letter of reference needed.
6. We stayed at a small hotel, but we were booked into a guesthouse but when we arrived the previous guest had not moved out owing to problems with his visa application.
7. Must have copy of wife's Blue Book and copy of wife's ID both signed and dated by your wife.
8. For your 90 day visa run you can go to any border crossing. You do not have to stay in the other country, you only need to exit Thailand and enter the next country and then turn around at the border and come back into Thailand.
9. No, TM30 is not used because you must list your address on the TM6. entry card. You are not away from your registered home as this is a new visa.
What is important is that you have the correct application form because many people were turned away because they had the wrong application form. You must use the Visa Application Form (TM87) which is specifically for Savannahket and you must write on the top next to the visa type after Non-Immigrant "Multi Entry" this must be done before you go to the window as they will not allow you to alter any documents at the window.
Hope this information helps anyone that is thinking about this avenue because of the changes that have been made.
If anyone has anymore questions then feel free to ask them as I believe we are all here to help each other.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on November 29, 2019, 06:23:45 AM
Thank you, Russell.  Great Information!

Another clarification, what happens after 15 months?
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 29, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
Depending on what happens here in Thailand with the Thai Baht and if the immigration laws change or settle down then I can always go back to Savannakhet and apply for another visa as there is no limit on them. I met people that have been doing this for the last 13 years without any problem. Plus you do not have to have any financials tied up in Thailand at the moment at least.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 29, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
This is the application form that must be use for all visa applications in Savannakhet


http://www.thaiembassy.org/savannakhet/contents/files/services-20190820-153837-960459.PDF (http://www.thaiembassy.org/savannakhet/contents/files/services-20190820-153837-960459.PDF)
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on November 30, 2019, 12:02:18 PM
Sorry, more questions, Russell!  I am looking at the Visa Application in detail now.

What did you put down as your profession?  (If you say 'retired', doesn't that push the question of why not a retirement Visa and not a Married one?)

Present Address (Lao P.D.R.)  What did you use as your 'present address'?

Countries for which your passport is valid.  Did you say everywhere?

BLOCK #4.  What dates did you use?  Duration of stay?

BLOCK #5.  Name, address, telephone number of a Guarantor in Lao P.D.R.


                  I assume you Guarantor in Thailand is your wife.

I think answering these questions will really assist those who need to go this route!


Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 30, 2019, 01:14:35 PM
Frank,
My profession is "retired"
My marital status is "married". So I have a choice of either "retired" or "married". The choice is up to the applicant.

Present Address was left blank.
Permanent address is your address in Thailand
My passport is valid in "All Countries".
Purpose of visit = to be with my Thai wife
Duration of stay = 1 year
Guarantor in Laos was left blank
Guarantor in Thailand is my wife, our Thai address and my wife's phone number.
Remember my application was for a Multi Entry marriage visa and I can only answer questions which relate to my application. I do not know what is required for any other visa application.
There is one big difference between the marriage visa and the retirement visa and that is there is no financials needed for the marriage visa.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 30, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
There are a couple of other things that I missed.
Section #4.
Purpose of stay = to be with my Thai wife
Date of arrival in Thailand = this is the date that you will be arriving in Thailand on this visa ( my arrival date was 27 November 2019                                               which is the date that I was returning to Thailand with this visa.
Travelling by = Scheduled bus, plane, private car (whatever means of transport you are using to cross the border into Thailand)
Date of previous visit to Thailand = this is the date on the last entry stamp on your passport
Duration of proposed stay = 1 year ( my application was for a 1 year visa so you put what ever is needed for the type of visa you are                                                applying for)
Place of stay in Thailand = your home address in Thailand
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on November 30, 2019, 03:34:14 PM
You've done a great job!  Without your suggested answers, the application form is vague and leaves many items not clear on how to answer.

You've done a great service for those who are married and need an alternative to the way Immigration has addressed all.

I just had a guy I know went to Khon Kaen Immigration to get his extension (after 31 Oct), which has to be about the 4th or 5th one without any break.  They said that he had to get insurance since it is based upon an 'O-A' Visa.

Me?  Right now I have a retirement extension to a non "O" Visa.  I just went through the monthly income method back in August.  Of course, the I/O's hate the income method even though it is fully acceptable.  Most of them, if they do not realize the income method is one of the alternatives, you have to be patient with them and suggest they go and talk to the boss.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 30, 2019, 04:22:34 PM
Many people complain about the leave Thailand every 90 days part of this visa but I will use it as a day out and go to Nong Khai for my border run and stop on the way back at Villa Market at Udon Thani and pick up some of the western items that are not available here in Khon Kaen so it can be very useful.
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Windy on November 30, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
Thanks for the info Russell, Previously I had done these visas for about 3 Years at Savannakhet, but changed to retirement extension at KK immigration.
Now with the uncertainty about the requirements about monthly income method, I will be going back to Savannakhet in January so your info is very helpful.


Does the Laos visa still take up a full page in your passport!  :-\


Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: russell17au on November 30, 2019, 08:17:06 PM
Yes it still does Windy
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: fceligoj on December 06, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Like we all knew it would happen, my golfing friend went to Vientiane to get a non-imm type "O" visa and found out you needed the appointment.  Not only that, Monday last, was a Laos holiday and then the Thai holiday on Thursday, so the week was shot.  He did make an appointment for this next Wednesday try again.  Came back with a 30-day tourist stamp!
Title: Re: Renewal of Retirement extension / 90 day Report
Post by: Rex (Admin) on December 06, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
You see!  There are consequences to not reading this forum!